Roy had a mother. Everyone can live long, comfortable lives. Only in the place of administration there is computer out of its "mind".Looking forward to The Orville S2. Perhaps, Hulu will be able to go beyond one season of "Wild Cards" and not be such pansies if ratings aren’t through the roof. Don't forget that I think they wanted us to assume they were using thrust gravity, since Nightflyer was in skyscraper orientation. If you can easily describe your plot to a child, do not have a character call it ‘Beyond your understanding’. Nightflyers is a horror-Sci Fi novella from Game of Thrones author George R. R. Martin.. Martin wrote Nightflyers in 1978, which puts it ahead of Ridley Scott’s Alien by one year. I wish there was a second season and after the power outage he realizes he doesn’t need the tubes to live. Like, you can't get any simpler than this. When they engage the engines and Cynthia makes them poop out...they immediately start falling into the atmosphere. Whether it’s the writers and set design not understanding how gravity works in space to not understanding that space is a vacuum to simply just not understanding how to make a viable starship, this show is masquerading as science fiction but the mask is made of elmer's glue and pipe cleaners. It was still in the Volcryn's possession. There is no anticipation or suspense: we can easily determine what is causing this, right up until it is confirmed. And I think it fails similarly in the drama department. And you can write a fantasy that takes place in the far future with railguns and holograms and hyperspace. I actually really enjoyed this show even though there were definitely some gaps and the ending made me kinda upset. A good horror keeps you guessing. Normal Karl witnessed the probe dying on the Nightflyer, therefore that is the way the probe must die. He could have been in the Volcryn's care all that time or sent off on his own into the void of space. r/Nightflyers: Subreddit for the SyFy series, Nightflyers, based on the George R. R. Martin science fiction horror novella. It was not his daughter. Nope, Karl probe could have flung itself into the nearest star. Nightflyers Premise: Eight scientists and a telepath traveling on The Nightflyer space ship to make contact with alien life begin experiencing strange and violent occurrences in this adaptation of George R.R. It's possible he gained some control over the probe's sensors and propulsion and found a way to fling himself back in space and time to return to the Nightflyer. It could have been far longer than a thousand years. Maybe he chased down the Volcryn and it did this for him. Rowan processes his … Yeah, but it doesn’t check off really any of the ‘science fiction’ boxes. Now it’s just a clinical fact: Cynthia is demented and in the ship. Watching the trailers and understanding the context of the scenes makes them so damned manipulative. How does the rest of the world view you? Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. It is like mental asylum where not only patients are crazy ( and not in very interesting way ) but the administration too. Couple that with endless shots of the hologram/camera ‘eyes’ throughout the ship in every room, and there is no time for the viewer to build up theories or wonder about the origins of these hallucinations and manifestations. Simply because something takes place ‘in space’ doesn’t make it science fiction. But I think this sums up the greater, structural issues of Nightflyers. Edit: The explanation remains unchanged, but in a discussion here I clarify what is meant by "untouched probe". Send in Lommie. You can bend the rules, write new ones, twist physics – but the critical thing is being consistent with it and understanding that what you do should be logical to the reader or viewer. It read his wish to one day reunite with his daughter in an immortal afterlife where his wife still loved him. Did he or didn’t he cause these things to happen or influence people? It was not contact with an alternate universe. I think He is my favorite part of the show. In practice, though, this almost always ends up ringing hollow. Maybe he forgot who he was when the probe's storage had to be rewritten again and again. Nothing to do with the Nightflyer or the volcryn at all. But how does that change a person's approach to living? But I’m writing it and it’s flowing so here we go. Absolutely not worth the time investment, and I’m pretty damn forgiving for the most part. I kind of wish the ship had exploded so that we got closure. Every episode was a new idea thrown into the barrel of ideas and plothooks never satisfactorily concluded. The Volcryn could not bring back his daughter or make the Earth stable again. Have to admit, way too f*cked up, and I love it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is the same probe, just far older. Fuck if I know. Keep that in mind if you’ve seen the latter, as there are some parts of Martin’s novella which which may seem familiar (or even clichéd) if you’re coming to Nightflyers for the first time. There needs to be suspense and anticipation and expectation of danger – D’Brenin is simply haunted by his past being weird. This show got green-lit. This initial probe the Nightflyer sent toward the Volcryn was unaccounted for. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. When Karl's lifeboat pod finally entered the Volcryn, the entity read his mind and all of his desires. What do people do with this technology, how does it affect culture and governments, in this brave new world is it hope or is it avarice that drives us? I'll have a look again. Yet instead it chose to follow the most basic of tropes, the most overused of plots, and even then could not execute them with any consistency. It's the first thing I noticed about this show, way back at the start of episode 1. What do other people think about that, those that can’t? …or does it? Science fiction tries to create a realistic and believable (and realistic does not mean ‘accurate to reality’, but realistic in that it is a working, breathing setting that feels as if it could exist) setting that has rules and laws that govern the technology within it. Can you give me an episode and approximate timestamp? It keeps you riding the line between being sure of what’s going on and being hopelessly caught up in the mystery as the drama unfolds. With Eris’ holograms and the constant love affair with showing us the hologram projectors, color coded a convenient ‘daemon-red’, it’s impossible to wonder or be uncertain. He is never in mortal danger from these manifestations, no matter how odd they might seem. Is the alien dead, or just hibernating? It is some "fiction" but not the science fiction. You'll find that he sold his soul to Cynthia for a shot at the bigtime. This takes advantage of the fact that you're already in orbit moving at ~17,000 mph. I'm not sure I understand this last part. It’s like they realized they didn’t make a horror show, but wanted to advertise as one so recut as carefully as they could for the trailer. We know this happens because the probe contains immortalized tissue that matches Karl's DNA. He is projected, at whim, around the ship without limitation or obvious cues and his projection is life-like and realistic. why people are finding themselves confused or lost by the writing is beyond me.... particualr if you consider the writer, George RR Martin... he has long and deep running plots in all that he writes. Why did she choose this path – was it an attempt to flee as far as she could from her past? Yet from the beginning it is hard to feel stakes or any real horror. She plugged herself into a computer and never came back. A lot of potential. Typically the story then explores the ‘what if’ or ‘why’ of what happens with this technology and the people that live with it: You are a telepath, whose telepathy is artificial and is used by law organizations to read the minds of the newly dead. The original untouched probe was … I tried to watch the show, can't continue. There’s a lot I could say about individual elements that were bad; the exposition device memory sphere, the spore baby, the design of the ship, the lack of crew but also the overabundance of crew, the way characters would flip flop completely, the lack of stakes, the unclear motives, etc. It transformed Karl and the probe into a single entity and placed his mind inside a virtual world based on his idyllic idea of the afterlife. Why? But then still had a spin ring. But this show does not understand subtlety or the proper use of tension in horror. It undercuts the drama they tried to create with Thale. D’Brenin doesn’t consider how such a possibility could have saved his daughter’s mind, if not her body. What does it do to your own psyche? You can’t understand it. You do a little background check on your Mr. Auggie. Yeah, those were the cannibal girl scouts. The setting alone doesn’t dictate the genre. With Eoin Macken, David Ajala, Jodie Turner-Smith, Angus Sampson. While waiting for telemetry on that, they lost track of it. My own personal "why the fuck" came in the opening scene. The original untouched probe was still in the Volcryn's possession, but the entity did not know what to do with it. In fact, it does everything its power to avoid asking these fundamentally science-fiction questions. Come on people, exercise your brains! You missed nothing. Not to mention knowing this is inside the head of a damaged woman-AI, it loses even more potential for fear or uncertainty. It was amusing and entertaining, but I’d like to look at Nightflyers with a bit more of a removed and critical eye. Just little vignettes of 'crazy' scenarios and 'shocking' sequences. Not again!! The show started out…not strong, but focused. Yup, that's a really good summary of what happens by the end. It throws everything at you, visible and obvious, and expects that to be enough. The only question is what it is, but with a certainty about the origins the manifestations lose their weight. Man that's depressing. It was not contact with the Volcryn. Time to lock her up. Also why THE FUCK WERE THEY BURNING RETROGRADE. It wasn’t like it was some driving force for her, just a convenient possibility that popped up. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Nightflyers community. Anyways does anyone have show recommendations similar to this? And it didn’t do that well either. Each one conjured up in isolation, and then attached to the flimsy main story line with duct tape. She sees Auggie attacking her on the bridge of the night Flyer, was this an actual memory? It just kept piling up until by the end of the show, they had practically forgotten about the volcryn. His friends kind of nod and say ‘ok’ and then go back to what they were doing before. It was all that was left of the Karl probe's ability to create his computerized afterlife. It seems like instead of trying to tell a story, they just tried to create moments. This is a useful crutch, because it has several effects. What does that mean to him, to everyone else who thought they knew him? Subreddit for the SyFy series, Nightflyers, based on the George R. R. Martin science fiction horror novella. This was a disappointing ten episode run of a show on Syfy, which is, as you know, the standard fare for that channel.